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  1. #1
    This is a system I am currently optimizing. Not certain if there are systems but this has elements of other progr out there.

    Not too much to it and plenty of ways it can be personalized/customized.

    I am doing this as sort of a personal journal and if others have suggestions or find it helpful then all the better.

    Basically:
    I use multiple time frames to filter or funnel out potentially bad trades. I do so very much mechanically on time frames that are greater since I believe it's a more accurate system of trading, but because it keeps me more consistent and helps maintain judgement from clouding my decisions.

    It starts on weekly to get trend management, Daily to get go/no go sign, 4h/1h to get entry sign, 15min/5min to get entry point and SL.

    The details:
    I use weekly chart and 5ema to get trend management. A more aggressive intraday trader may want to use 5ema online daily. They may want to use 3ema. A conservative term trader may want on per week to used 10ema or 10sma. A 5ema trendline on weekly is exactly what I am currently using.

    I only take longs on the pair in case 5ema on weekly chart is up. I take shorts if 5ema on chart is down.

    Next I go into the Daily chart. If Daily is above it's opening price and per week 5ema is up that's a green light to take a trade that is very long on this pair. If the Daily is below the opening I do not trade this pair today unless the daily goes above it's launching. There's an technical problem with daily bars because they vary with brokers. Some beginning at Aussie session, a few at Asian, a few at London, some at US. I use daily bars that start at London beginning (6:00 GMT). If your broker employs time period you can use 1H chart to determine the London beginning and that gives you price of daily pub starting at London session. Add trendline that is horizontal and make certain your trade management is on the appropriate side of this line. Or maybe you feel more comfortable using Aussie beginning daily bars. This depends on the hours that you trade. These are items every trader should work out for themselves. The process of thinking through it will help know the way that is best to interpret what they're seeing from the bars also so it's a good mental exercise.

    Continuing on to the intraday time frames. I use them for entry signals and entry points. Now that we've decided that we'll be taking a long position on this pair today because the 5ema is up and the daily is above it's opening price, we are searching to enter a long using a little stop loss. There are. A lot of people use indiors but I pretty much only use price action. In order of significance, candle stick patterns, s/r areas, complete numbers, fibonacci, trendlines.

    So say, for example I visit an inside pub on 4H or 1H, I then visit 15m or 5m and try to find s/r areas and candlestick patterns to pinpoint my entry using a little SL. If price keeps trending my manner I proceed SL to BE and put in a second long position. I'll keep doing this till the intraday trend runs out of steam.

    So that is basically it.

    No predefined exits egy as of yet. Currently I am holding places for multiple days/weeks so I have plenty of time to consider exits. When weekly 5ema proceeds from up to down I will average out my longs as I take shorts onto the pair. Technically this is hedging but not as another side of this trade is at SL of break even zero risk of loss. Yes, a few places you worked hard for and stored for days/weeks will be stopped out at zero pips after having been up hundreds. That is just a part of the procedure.

    To outline:
    *Weekly to determine fashion. Trade in management of fashion.
    *Daily to get green light/red light sign. If daily is above price and weekly trend is up that's a green light for quite a while and if daily is below launching it is light. The reverse is true for weekly tendency.
    *Intraday time frame to pinpoint entry with little SL using a number of methods based on our preferences. 4H/1H to look for volatility/breakout/momentum signal. 15min/5min to pinpoint entrance. Simple price action is the method that is recommended. If our wager works out we proceed SL to BE after price moves on and attempt pile on further positions while the tendency continues. But 1 place at a time before we've moved our SL to BE and therefore are in a zero risk standing.
    *If weekly 5ema goes from up to down we start to average out long positions as we start to take short positions or visa versa. If broker does not allow hedging then use 2 subaccounts. One for buys and another for sells.
    *Exercise appropriate money management in any way times. Since places are being stacked by us we can use a tiny percentage when decreasing drawdown. Say 0.5% - 1% per trade.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    sorry I do not want to be rude, and no offence at all, only want to generate some toughts here...


    I do not understand that weekly thing if you want to enter on 5/15 min TF, you will get blown by higher TF's volatility, so you can be in a position to be right in longer term view, but I believe you've got not big opportunities to stay there and to not being hit. I would determine the tendency if I believed method but we are different. You will possibly cover your losses with big winners, no one understands, I wish you the best

    Mike
    that's an interesting point really.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    This is a egy I am currently optimizing....
    Interesting notion.
    I sense it could have merit and I would be interested in helping you develop and fine tune your egy.

    Let me make sure I understand you properly:

    Basically you are trading at the direction of this Weekly based on the 5 EMA.
    Then you trade on the exact same side as the Daily- long if daily is upward and brief if daily is down.

    You then utilize 4 hr/ 1 hr/ 15 m/ 5m to set up a good spot to put in the market based on candle patterns and pullbacks.

    It looks like a good idea and I am sure you could use a couple of powerful indiors to fine tune the Sweet Spot for entrance.

    Bollinger Bands would probably be one such indior that would be useful.

    The major challenge with this technique and with any other egy is to be certain the Math functions- meaning in the end of the day per night when you add up all of your profits and losses which you made money.

    In order to do this you have to have a r/r of 1 to 1 and hopefully even better.

    I am not a big fan of keeping trades open without a profit objective though the notion of shutting out a part of your position for a fast profit and allowing part ride for a much bigger profit is appealing as long as there is SOME profit goal for all open orders.

    I will play around with this idea and see if I can offer some useful indiors or price action patterns and above all see if I could think of a favorable r/r ratio whether it's a 20 pip stop along with a 30 pip profit goal, etc..

    Hopefully you can keep posting and let me know your results and ideas and I'll do the same over the next few days.

    I am excited about creating this idea.


    Cheers,

    Michael

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Fascinating idea.
    I feel it might have merit and I'd be interested in assisting you to create and fine tune your egy.

    Allow me to be sure I understand you properly:

    Basically you are trading in the direction of the Weekly based on the 5 EMA.
    You then exchange on the exact same side as the Daily- extended if daily is up and brief if daily is down.

    You then utilize 4 hr/ 1 hr/ 15 m/ 5m to establish a good place to put in the market according to candle patterns and pullbacks.

    It seems like a good idea and I am positive you could use a few effective...
    You pretty much get the jist. You will find lot's of ways to approach it. The most important issue is the very first go/no go sign on time frames. I find it keeps me away from a lot of bad trades and is a really easy thing to do at the start of the trading day. Unless you restrict yourself to a couple of pairs, you will almost always find a pair that offers you a green light for every day. Then it is all dependent on your entrance tastes, time frame tastes, whether you would like to scalp or swing or position trade etc..

    R:r is much much greater than 1:1 if you swing or position trade. I am stacking risk positions with a SL of possibly 30pips or less and 1% or less funding. If you do the mathematics what positions that survive over weeks may be worth you immediately understand the r:r is off the charts! But that's about position/swing trading in general and not so much about this system in particular more.

    If you're a scalper or intraday trader, I think the first part will nonetheless help a lot of men and women avoid bad trades. After that filter they may continue on with their trading methods they prefer. 2 positions with a single TP could open to cancel out the SL instead of having to move the SL. All the trading systems can benefit from the additional time frame filter IMHO that is long.

    There happen to be a few well recognized systems that utilized the weekly trend. The trend is your friend is a no brainer and that is. Employing a 5ema is of easily determining that my method. Some folks might choose to just eyeball it. Some might prefer some other means of discovering long term trend. Daily down or up from filter is utilized by other progr. The Dibbs method (found on this website) for example. So probabilities as to efficacy of have with that system.

    But only from a practical Perspective. It makes sense that if the past couple of bars of each week and last bar of daily are currently trending in the exact same direction, the likelihood of an intraday trending in the exact same direction is that considerably more probable.

  5. #5
    Kindly illue your method with charts expect ok for you, for comprehension.

    tpat

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    Kindly illue your method with charts for superior comprehension, expect okay for you.

    Tpat
    That requires effort. Perhaps next sequence of trades I do I will save pictures.

  7. #7
    To summarize:
    *Weekly to determine trend. Trade in direction of trend.
    *Daily to get green light/red light signal. If daily is over price and trend is upforexforum.co.zanot it's visa versa and reddish light and that's a light.

    Okay. . .let's see if I got this right so far. . .at this current time. . .the eurjpy is currently revealing the weekly chart below the 5ema. . .so the trend is down. . .the daily price opening is: 109.45....as I write this, it currently at 109.49. . .so until it climbs down below 109.45 for a light ??? we wait

    (also it's bouncing around today between 109.45 to 109.51)

    I concur with you....very simple analysis and that I like the approach to maintain us more mechanical in our trading. . .look forward to a reply and a few trade examples in your own leisure!

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    This is a egy I am currently optimizing. Not sure if there are systems but that definitely has elements of different systems on the market.

    Not too much to it and a great deal of ways it could be personalized/customized.

    I am doing this as sort of a personal journal and if others have suggestions or find it helpful then all the better.

    Basically:
    I utilize multiple time frames to funnel or filter out potentially bad transactions. I do this very much mechanically on higher time frames since I believe it's a more accurate system of trading, but since it...
    some results and charts please.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    [b]To summarize:
    *Weekly to determine trend....
    That is a matter for your opening poster:

    What do you do if on the daily chart the price keeps bouncing beneath and above the opening price and there's no clear direction on the daily bar?

    Thanks

  10. #10
    Ironically I don't need to be rude, and no offence in any way, only need to generate some toughts here...


    I don't understand that weekly thing when you would like to enter on 5/15 minutes TF, you will get blown by greater TF's volatility, so you can be in a position to be correct in longer term view, but I believe you have not big opportunities to remain there and to not being hit. If I believed method I would ascertain the tendency but we are different. You will maybe cover your losses with large winners, nobody knows, I wish you the best

    Mike

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