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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    quote OK, now we see hedging is NOT more expensive than non-hedging. That is good step 1! Non-hedgers defeated. I like that! Lets concentrate on hedging CAN BE USEFUL. Why not use two transactions instead of just one, in grabbing the direction if that WOULD HELP? Paying the very same fees, as you would have been trading with one trade, helps. Simply put, an individual can hedge any level and with appropriate methods that are flipping to earn money out of 30 TP and 30 SL, or 300 SL and 300 TP. This is quite much achievable and it does involve a.. .
    when? Hedging is just not more costly, when orders are merged (all) and no hedged order grip over rollover time. Ist much more expansive.

    what did change? Merging was there for several decades.

    Why can using two orders help cjhing the direction, its same in greatest case then 1 orders and clsoing portion of the order. Its impossibble to defend hedging. There are only two chances to use, all other you say is 100% wrong, actually:

    - with hedging you have it easier to program. When you are not any good developer (or more beginner then moderate) its own gfaster and easy to programm hedging and pay with this unexpereinces the additional fees if neccesary.
    - with hedging you dont need to learn basics more easy , you easy trade each order independently, rather than many orders in 1 order. So appears easy for many others, however isnt ,.netting is something you want to learn and want to know what trade is available with what goal within the trade.

    I dont understand why you need defend hedging , its by math stupid, purpose, by useability not hedging is more complied and so not often used by beginners. But no advanced trader hedges. Or if he hedges he is not any advanced trader (or he need mix it before rollover time).

  2. #12
    ToS?wz
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    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    I wonder what happens now with their dumb theory that hedging only increases the expenses?!? Can it be these false gurus to be a complete ignorants? And you guys follow along with ?!? and listen to afterward Someone here is mortal stupid... Could it be entire majority here?!?
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    OK, now we view hedging is NOT more expensive than non-hedging. That is fantastic step 1! Non-hedgers defeated. I like this!
    1. If I understand properly, the inventive EA of Mr Nicholishen does not use, let vindie, any particular hedgingegy*. It uses a hedge, then OrderCloseBy, as an operational means of closing positions efficiently without additional or slippage price. A different proposition.

    2. The debate about unnecessary price relates to swap, NOT spreads/commissions. Employing OrderCloseBy does not change the simple fact that br0kers bill more swap interest than they pay out, on hedged orders. Therefore it will be more economical to stay out of this market immediately, and pay nothing.

    3. Re the viability of hedging as a *egy in itself:
    Is it possible to make money using hedging? YES.
    Is it possible to make money using a single position egy? YES.

    There are profitable -- and losing -- traders in each camp. Very simply, if you're net while price is rising, or net brief while price is decreasing, your account balance rises. It decreases. It all about leadership and timing, regardless of the number of positions you've got open.

    It is not so much about there being a wrong or right way; trading is much more about sparking a process on your own personal way.

    4. Reality exists irrespective of the intelligence or stupidity of individuals. Valid arguments are grounded in mathematics and logic.

    5. For your trader who prefers to open positions -- in, or if hedged the exact same way -- an operational that was essential tool has been developed by Mr Nicholishen, and I expect that he receives the gratitude that he deserves, for sharing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    I know I know....
    Excellent work, too.
    Many thanks for sharing.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    quote quote 2. The anti-hedge debate about price relates to swap, NOT spreads/commissions. Employing OrderCloseBy does not change the simple fact that swap interest charges than they cover, on hedged orders. It will be cheaper to stay from the market overnight, and pay nothing.
    I've read many of your posts where you're defeating hedging as worthless, especially from an expense viewpoint. Not to speak from a egy viewpoint. And it wasn't only the swap, but as an argument not to use hedging... However, this doesn't matter, cause you've just said hedging may be profitable. What is in the past, remains there. Lets move on.
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    3. Re the viability of hedging as aegy in itself: Is it feasible to earn money utilizing hedging? YES. Is it possible to earn money working with a single position approach? YES. You will find profitable -- and losing -- traders in each camp.
    This I watch for a first time here inforexforum.co.za(out of you). This is a 180 flip of an original position of yours towards hedging. Admitting hedging works is a fantastic step for you to be a fantastic trader daily. I know just 1 in 10,000 hobby traders does not lose money. Probably this man knows how to hedge properly, I think... If you do not trust me, perhaps you can ask your friends from pepperstone about some specifics on the matter? Details are known by me out of a EU LP. forexforum.co.zaalready banned one of my articles, such as totally deleted it, when I've shared what the real problem using the hobby traders would be...

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    quote I dont understand why you want defend hedging , its mathematics stupid, point, by useability not hedging is more complex and so not frequently used by beginners.
    We see that all hobby traders are thought to exchange with just one direction trades (i.e. to not hedge). And what's the results of this teaching procedure. Ask any LP for information. You know the answer of my question well. This is how great the one direction trading egies are...

    Hedging was declared as a total waste of everything and certainly has not being really tried, yet. I will post tomorrow a few continuing hedging examples. It's impossible to exchange these one direction only, cause when the rate suddenly turns out (and also the rate loves to do that), it is going to be impossible for me to reverse them without the other, hedged, sign... And according to one direction trading egies I shall just need to accept their SLs. And how the traders are losing their cash? Just by putting the right SLs...
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    but no advanced trader hedges, really straightforward. Or when he hedges he's no progressive trader (or he want merge it before rollover time).
    I don't know about that. You are right. As a hobby trader, all I know is currently hedging can be profitable. Might participate in expenses. Certainly, sometimes it will. So what? Once the income is higher me doesn't bother .

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    quote I have read a number of your posts where you're beating hedging as useless, particularly from a cost viewpoint. Not to speak from a egy point of view. And it wasn't only the swap, but as an argument to not use hedging... But this doesn't matter, cause you have just said hedging may be profitable. What's in the past, remains there. Lets move on. quote That I see to get a first time here atforexforum.co.za(from you). This is an excellent 180 reverse of an original place of yours towards hedging. Admitting payoff works is a fantastic step for you...
    no, wasn't just in his article, thats why you did know it not right,

    he states: with payoff you can win, without hedging you can win,. Accurate, but he forgot to say : with egy without hedging your win is always at or higher same level then hedging. always! He simple forget to mention that. Its same simple such as 1 1 = 2, what is the issue with this calculation?

    You are not a newcomer, I cant see why you dont see this simple math fact. Its basic mathematics principle, easy and perfect. Hedging is for novices who dont understand or math understand trading. After you understand to conserve this useless thrown away costs, simple.
    If you accept the extra costs for payoff is fine, noone will say anything that win isn't feasible with hedging, its extrem possible, only a few small or big times smaller then same completed not hedged (depends on how you combine and just how many rollover you choose), thats all.

    You won't find one who is telling hedging trader can't have big wins. That was wrong understanding of the subject, its only about difference for utilizing hedging in win.

  6. #16
    Works nicely did a few scalps on a live account. Several panels have attempted and this one is very fast to execute orders.
    Thank you Nicholishen great work easy but convenient.

  7. #17
    I love to think as 'netting' instead of hedging. This isn't vindiion for egies which collect negative swaps. There is a definite time and place for this, especially with those traders that average into a position and need the choice to manually close or undo in an instant or want to reverse a position using one limit order...

  8. #18
    In case anyone is interested, here is your logic , behind reconciling all hedged places.
    Inserted Code void ReconcileHedgeOrders() for(int I=OrdersTotal()-1;igt;0!) IsStopped();I--) OrderMagicNumber() == MAGIC) ) int kind = OrderType(); int ticket = OrderTicket(); for(int j=i-1;OrderSelect(j,SELECT_BY_POS);j--)

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    https://docs.mql4.com/trading/ordercloseby ordercloseby is/are using ticket(s). Not my positive method in OrderSelect (rather or magical number). For a clear reason, tickets can be change by broker, but maybe not number. Btw, it's a great stuff!
    Watch the logic I posted above. This resets the loop and goes by number and symbol each time it closes an order because they alter.

  10. #20
    ToS?wz
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    I've read a number of your posts where you are beating hedging as useless, especially from an expense perspective. Not to talk from a egy perspective. ....This is a great 180 reverse of an original position of yours towards hedging.
    It certainly does not feel like I have created a 180 reverse. This (and here) is exactly what I have always kept about hedging (and still do), with links to posts written several years ago. In the event you desire feel welcome to see these.

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