Thread: Market mysteries: Riddles to reality

Is it almost the same with Bill Willi Alligator?

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Is it Nearly Exactly the same with Bill Willi Alligator?

Hi arcus, is this question about the 3D osilator? I do not know, if it is then.

I had never looked at Aligator before I read your Article. I took a fast look at it and was very dissapointed. It's way too slow.
The only means to check it out would be to run alligator and 3D Osilator on the same chart and observe.

Good Luck and Decent trading

Roy

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Thank You for the indior. Could you perhaps cover about the topic of these 6 stress points? Is your concept at all like J-charts?

Appears like it is just you and my friend. OK now 12 hours each day (minimum) 360 days annually for two years comes to....errrr....8640 hours.

Would you prefer a quick overview or would you prefer me to enter some specifics.



What's a J-chart?

Roy

What every trader would like to know the markets do what they do.

Trajectories

Part 1

I will divide this section in 2, you need to know the basics before proceeding to the more interesting second part.

What are trajectories and what's their purpose.
First the basics. Info points. Every candlestick ( or Bar ) has four data points know to all as OPEN,HIGH,LOW and CLOSE. Radiating from every one of these data points are four invisible rays sent out to the future trying to pick up similar signals transmited backward from candles which will be shaped in the future.
If you're a visual person, consider it like this.You are holding in your hand last weeks candle, and I am holding this weeks candle,which just shut.

In the High of your candle tie 4 pieces of string, and I will attach one to my Open, you for my High,you to my Low,and also you to My close. The procedure is repeated until we have 16 pieces of string. All these are the trajectories. In fact they move thru my candle and to the future,they continue forever.
They may get a signal again in a couple of weeks or ten decades or not.
It is Important to mention here the more times a trajectory touches a candle the more powerful it becomes and the more it's respected by the markets.

Every candle consequently has 32 trajectories, 16 going into the future and 16 going into the past.

The good news is, in part 1 we're only interested in two of these trajectories. The ones that go from HIGH to HIGH, and also those which go from LOW to LOW.

Lets look at the Lows, the market moves down, hesitates, then starts to climb again. In the low of the bottom candle a trajectory is beamed out to the future searching for one more low. After the market moves upward and reverses it starts its decent until a candle is shaped who's cheapest low, shining out a signal to the past, locks to the signal sent out by the previous low. The market respects this (now much more powerful) trajectory and stops and reverses, climbs drops, and meets with the tragectory again which it succeeds, which makes the trajectory even more powerful.

But you already know all this.

You just call it a Trendline.

This obviously is encourage, high to high to high is resistance.

Every candle tells a story. Every candle, on each period, tags two trajectories. The highs and lows pass. When the trajectories are far apart, what you get is a big candle.
What I hav'nt said is the clock is ticking.The market has to be at a given price point at a particular moment. When for some reason it has hauled up and is running late, it makes up for it using all the massive sudden movements we have all seen.
The market likes order.
Now, keep in mind, all time frames need to function together to attain the markets aims. All these movements need to work in sync, and also be ontime.

The second part is all about searching for trajectories which go from swing reduced to swing high, back to swing low.

Roy

Originally Posted by ;

Looks like it's just you and my friend. OK currently 12 hours a day (minimum) 360 days a year for 2 years stems to....errrr....8640 hours.

Would you prefer a fast summary or would you prefer me to go into some specifics.



What's a J-chart?

Roy

hehe I find you have worked quite a bit at this...I'd love as many particulars as you're willing to go into. I had been reminded of j-charts because they're also a different approach to charting then standard, they're predied on ticks and finding a balance, with no respect to time, if I understand them correctly(which I may not lol). However, I see that your egy is different.

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Everything each dealer would like to know, why the markets do what they do.

Trajectories

Part 1

that I will split this section in 2, you want to be aware of the basics before proceeding to the more interesting second part.

What are trajectories and what's their objective.
First the Fundamentals. Info points. Every candlestick ( or Bar ) has four data points know to all as OPEN,HIGH,LOW and CLOSE. Radiating out of every one of these data points are just four invisible rays sent out into the future trying to pick up similar signals transmited backward from candles which are going to be shaped in the future.
If you are a visual person, consider it like this.You are holding in your hand last weeks candle, and I am holding this weeks candle,which just shut.

From the High of your candle tie 4 pieces of string, and I will attach one to my Open, one for my High,one for my Low,and one to My close. The procedure is repeated until we have 16 pieces of string. These would be the trajectories. In reality they pass through my candle and into the future,they continue forever.
They may pick up a signal again in two weeks or ten years or not.
It's significant to mention that the more times a trajectory touches a candle that the more powerful it becomes and the more it's respected by the niches.

Every candle therefore has 32 trajectories, 16 entering the future and 16 entering the past.

The fantastic news is in part 1 we are only considering two of those trajectories. The ones that go from HIGH to HIGH, and also the ones which go from LOW to LOW.

Lets look at the Lows, the market moves down, hesitates, then begins to climb again. From the low of the lowest candle a trajectory is beamed out into the future searching for one more low. After the market moves upward and reverses it begins its decent until a candle is shaped who is lowest non, beaming out a signal into the past, locks on to the signal sent out by the last low. The market respects this (now much more powerful) trajectory and finishes and stops, climbs falls, and meets with the tragectory again and it succeeds, which makes the trajectory even more powerful.

However, you already know all this.

You simply call it a Trendline.

This clearly is service, high to elevated to high is immunity.

Every candle tells a story. Every candle, on every timeframe, tags two trajectories. The highs and lows pass. If the trajectories are far aside, what you get is a big candle.
That which I hav'nt said is that the clock is ticking.The market has to be in a specified price point at a certain time. If for any reason it gets held up and is running late, it makes up for it using all the huge sudden motions that we have all seen.
The market likes order.
Now, remember, all time frames need to work together to achieve the markets aims. These movements need to work in sync, and also be ontime.

The next part is all about searching for trajectories that move from swing low to swing high, back to swing low.

Roy

Very cool, thanks. I think I'm with you up to now.

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Hi , is this question about the 3D osilator? I don't understand, if it is then.

That I had never looked at Aligator until I read your Post. I took a fast look and was very dissapointed. It is way too slow.
The only means to test it out would be to conduct alligator and 3D Osilator on precisely the exact same graph and observe.

Good Luck and good trading

Roy

No, what I mean is the picture attached above, there is three lines which looks nearly the same with Aligator. Just wondering.

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No, what I mean is that the image attached above, there is three lines which looks almost the same with Aligator. Just wondering.

Arcus, those three traces are my interpritation of in which the dimensions are.
The initial signals were created from Excel spreadsheets.

To all,

I'd 4 signals, Price,momentum and direction, and one left I knew was significant but did'nt understand exactly what it was. I gave it the title Axis. I believe that is exactly what Bill Willi called a loion where the marketplace changes it's whole sentiment from 1 side, the fantastic divide.

If you downloaded the 3D Osilator, overlay on it a 28 period Linear MA.
I have put the Indior side by side with my system for comparison.
You may see why I played with this index. It's been about 12 months because I looked at it, and I am positive I tweeked it to work (best) on the 4 HR.
My system has undergone many alterations since then as it got more sophisted.
If you change the colors to the exact same in my graph it will make it easier to follow alongwith

My Theory is that. Before direction cans alter management must be crossed by it.
This is Pressure Point (PP) No 1. (yellow x reddish).
PP2 is Direction crossing momentum (yellow x blue).
PP3 is the (usualy) last to cross and the markets response can be seen. (Red x Blue).
A change in leadership will now occur.
WARNING. Price in your graph does make a higher high/Lower low and often can.
The reason behind that is that for Price to cross Momentum takes a fantastic deal of leaves and energy cost weak. When PP3 happens a time frame that is decrease will be exhasted. You can watch that action play between a 9 and 18 LWMA (almost any MA I look at will always be LW set to Typical).
PP4 is when Direction crosses the Axis (yellow x silver)
PP5 is when price crosses Axis (reddish x Silver ) Strong Move ( Waterflames Elite).

PP6 is the mother of these all.When Momentum crosses the Axis it is goodnight Irene. (blue x Silver) Powerful move.Keep an eye on Momentum, it's the key.

You want to spend time watching how it works.Train your own eyes.
BE CAREFUL I have not used the 3D Osilator with real money, it doesn't have anything to do with my current system ,Stick it on a demo.

I began this thread as a private Journal, to attempt to stimulate some new ideas, if I can save 1 person from becomming road kill I will be joyful,the Mods made the choice to put it, I do not want to end up in the trading systems or I will Delete it.
If you would like to tell me WOW I made ten pips please utilize the PM system.Later if anybody finds it helpful be MY Guest and start your own thread in Sytems.

Roy

This is a facinating egy. I am interested in what you're saying here. I'm not a mod but allow me to see if I could get it moved back into the journal department. I'll be delighted to delete this article when you've read it. Thanks for the glowing star on a night.

Scott

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